Resurrection Blues

Cosmology / Religion / God /

The gospels tell how on the third day Jesus rose again from the dead. The gospels further tell how Jesus appeared before his disciples. Even seeing his master Thomas doubted: and had to poke his finger into the mortal holes.

Good. Now what else did he do? Where did he go? Did he have a smoother time this time?

I want to know what happened when Jesus reappeared before Pilat! and Herod! and Caiaphas! They didn’t like it the first time he told them that he was the son of God: were they ready to listen a few days later? or a month?
(About as ready as I am to hear that Trump is a good guy, good for our country.)

There isn’t much historical evidence for the original Passion: does the Resurrection do any better? (I mean of course the apres-resurrection.) What did Tiberius say when Jesus extended his howdey-dos to Rome? If the governor had freadked out, whet did his boss, the emperor, do?

Well, those questions aren’t very well answerable: and they weren’t when first asked. But there are some answers that ought to be at least discussed. at least brought up.

I step back to enter at an angle:

When I was a kid I believed what everybody seemed to believe: God sent Jesus, Jesus chose his disciples, the Passion happened, Jesus showed strength, the disciples showed more than a little weakness … but: everyone, good or evil, already damned or saveable, was on the same page. Everyone knew who God was, the true God and all the false gods, the truth, and all the mistakes. Everyone understood who Jesus was: or at least understood what he was saying he was.
And the mistakes were “honest” mistakes; not deliberate obfuscations: evil for the sake of evil.


It wasn’t until the early 1960s, when I was in the army, and my buddy and I were toying with the big fat Kazantzakis novel The Last Temptation of Christ, that we first broached the possibility: the disciples didn’t know who Jesus was after the Passion, and the disciples didn’t know who Jesus was before the Passion, and Pilate did know who Jesus was but kept it to himself … And the world is not a world replete with understanding. Peter didn’t know who Jesus was, Paul certainly didn’t know. Paul’s egregious epistemology chases, doesn’t invite, understanding. The Church doesn’t know who Jesus was. No pope, no bishop. The priests certainly don’t know. With a few exceptions: Francis, maybe. (At least Francis was trying.) (As had Augustine.) (seems to me.)

Not only Francis: a couple of contemporaries had tried. Ivan Illich. (Me.)

That doesn’t mean we got it right either.

But try again: God sent Jesus, at least something, some non-thing, something I call “God”, or rather I call god, sent Jesus. Jesus said some stuff, that no matter how many lying priests bolixed it seems somehow to suggest that despite the hierarchical kleptocratic apologies the theology seems to offer, there’s also the possibility of interpretation in which something, some set of things that can be abstracted, misleadingly, as evolution, as survival, as intelligence was possible to try to broach …

And is, despite the verticallity, the infinitude or hebetude, or misunderstanding.

An infinity of liars, no matter how stupid, can still model some Platonic shadow of the truth.

Related scribble, some already broached, some blabbed about incessantly, some new angles just peeking around the corner:

Multiple God
If we’re ever to become sentient, to be worthy of honest discussion, semanticists should be compelled to interrupt any questions about “god” to clarify what god is being referred to. Otherwise the morons will say God meaning Jaweh, will be understood to mean Jehovah while others think Allah is meant … People think the participants are on the same page when next to no one is on the same page.

I say God I mean god. I say god I mean evolution. Is it possible to know what I mean?
I guess not: someone would actually have to read what I wrote, understand what I meant, still understand it thirty seconds later. …

What if there was a god actually in existence 10,000 years ago? What if the same god was in existence 3,000 years ago? 2,000?
What if that god ceased to exist in the last few hundred years?
What if that god needed sacrifice to sustain his super-engergy level? What if the sacrifices, the nutrients, the sutenance that god used to receive: from priests, from temples, from worshippers … terrified, threatened, cajoled …
Can a “Confucian”-type god sustain when the sacrifices are given instead to Ford? and GM?

Only since I jotted the above has bk sent me the e-book Evolution of God by Robert Wright. And I just read the following:

The Ainu, Japan’s aborigines, would sometimes try to win divine favor with offerings of millet beer, but if the gods didn’t reciprocate with good fortune, the Ainu would threaten to withhold future beer unless things improved.

i be back

Cosmology, Theology

About pk

Seems to me that some modicum of honesty is requisite to intelligence. If we look in the mirror and see not kleptocrats but Christians, we’re still in the same old trouble.
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